>> if john boehner said, look, i know we have to raise this rate. i'm willing to raise rates. i know that we could cut out some deductions on the corporate side. we can get some income in other ways. let's talk about that. then i think the conversation could be had at that table. >> ifill: how about reaching an agreement on some of the spending by, for instance, raising the eligibility age for medicare? was that something that you could imagine, raising real money from? >> i think we have to look at these a little bit different. we have to lo at e budget which is, o course, nondiscretionary spending, nondefense discretionary and defense spending, the trillion dollars we've already committed. the way we start the conversation about medicare has to be -- we haven't yet heard the republicans say this -- it has to be from our point of view start with the fact that we are going to strengthen and protect and assure that medicare continues for our current seniors and for future seniors. we will not cut benefits. we don't want to cut eligibility at either. i think it has to be univers